It’s impossible to be baptized as a Jehovah’s Witness by actually studying the bible and the bible alone.
That pretty much tells anyone all they really need to know doesn't it?
Sea Breeze
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Bait and Switch "Bible studies"
by Vanderhoven7 inmark jones, a witness for over 30 years describes what jws call bible studies offered to the public.. .
"they (jehovah's witnesses) offer you a free home “bible” study - which turns out to be a study of a watchtower publication with the bible brought out as an afterthought to try and prop up whatever current idea the governing body are claiming is “the truth” this week.. i think it’s underhanded.. when my parents became jehovah’s witnesses and they offered people a free home “bible” study, this is what they brought to study with them:.
what, did you think they were going to study the bible with you?.
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Why are so many Jehovah’s Witnesses Angry and Rude?
by Vanderhoven7 inwhy do you think many jws are hostile and rude?
or is that just my imagination?.
mark jones writes: the vast majority of jehovah’s witnesses are nice people.
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Sea Breeze
That's an easy question. It is because they like to play the victim. They are the "center of Satan's attack" in their mind. In reality they are just misguided fools.
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How tall was Goliath?
by joey jojo ingoliath was a big dude, 6 cubits and a span, or about 9 feet 9 inches.
the septuagint version of the bible and the dead sea scrolls, on the other hand, both state his height as 4 cubits and a span, or 6 feet 9 inches.. his armour weighed a bit over 40 kg, about the same weight as a modern soldier would carry.
his spear sounds impressively heavy at 600 shekels, however , this is only about 6 kg (13 lbs), easily carried by a man of average strength, let alone someone with training.. the difference lies in whether we should believe the masoretic version of the bible, or the septuagint.. the masoretic text was written about 1000 years later than the septuagint and it is what the new world translation and a lot of protestant bibles are based on.. although the septuagint was accepted by 1st century jews, it is believed that medieval jews were not happy with the septuagint, as it lent weight to the argument that pointed to jesus as the messiah and they wanted to distinguish the jewish tradition from christianity.. jesus and other new testament writers (whoever they were) quoted the septuagint.. in an effort to support his own world view and to distance himself from the catholic church, martin luther chose the masoretic text over the septuagint on which to base his translation, which is ironic as the masoretic text was written, partly to separate itself from christianity.. when someone says they 'believe the bible', or, they 'live their life on what the bible says'- can that person really explain how they can trust the history and process of whatever bible they believe in came to be?.
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144,000 raise the dead and read hearts.
by enoughisenough ini sometimes catch a video of a lady calling the kh and asking questions.
this morning she was questioning something that was said in the annual meeting part 2 and i looked it up for myself.
( feb 23 ) at timeline 1:37 the claim is in the new world jesus and the 144000 will raise the dead and just shortly after that the claim is jesus and the 144,000 will read hearts.
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Sea Breeze
This aint the org of the 80's and 90's anymore. Who needs Jesus?.... we got the 144K, a new kind of superhero.
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Are Jehovah's Witnesses who are disfellowshipped allowed to communicate and comfort each other while waiting to be reinstated?
by Vanderhoven7 ini just read about a disfellowshipped person who was looking for other disfellowshipped persons to socialize with.
what does the org have to say about this?.
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Watchtower is Run Like the Mafia
by Sea Breeze inanybody else notice this?
the have a syndicate (governing body) regional bosses (district overseers), captians (circuit overseers), and elders are their "made men" that enforce policy at street level.
if you run your mouth too much, they wipe out your whole family (disfellowshipping).
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Sea Breeze
"Take the counsel, leave the cannoli".
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Jerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the Gentile Times are Fulfilled. — Luke 21:24
by Fisherman injerusalem will be trampled by the nations until the gentile times are fulfilled.
— luke 21:24 .
the bible book of luke records jesus prophecy of the last day with his parousia including the verse about the gentile times.
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Sea Breeze
The is the basic Christian view. (Evangelical)
I think WT was basically on track here.... with the exception of the 607 / 1914 nonsense.
After Jesus takes care of the small matter of saving believers (mostly gentiles) and defeating the anti-christ with a single word at Armageddon, he then occupies the throne of King David which has been vacant since Zedekiah.
Jesus was promised the throne of David his forefather. There is no power in the universe that can stop it. It is going to happen. Like it or not, earth will be ruled by a Jewish King, the incarnate God, Jehovah.
Zechariah 14:9 ASV
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Watchtower is Run Like the Mafia
by Sea Breeze inanybody else notice this?
the have a syndicate (governing body) regional bosses (district overseers), captians (circuit overseers), and elders are their "made men" that enforce policy at street level.
if you run your mouth too much, they wipe out your whole family (disfellowshipping).
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Sea Breeze
Attempting to keep an objective view of my (and the WTS's) past I find the comparison of the witnesses to the Mafia rather strange.
@Reasonfirst,
Open your eyes. It is a successful business model. They bring your family into a conflict when necessary to control you and to protect their "thing". It is so successful they are quite adept at convincing you to even commit suicide... or at least forfeit the authenticity of your life, which is a type of death. They are there to enforce the addage "all men die, few men really live".
It is a seductive thing to die (in one way or another) so your family can "live". Few men can resist it. I did and I highly reccommend it. Pantangeli did not: -
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No ransom needed: Everybody wipes out their OWN sins.
by BoogerMan inthanks tony morris & co. you keep providing vomit food at the proper time.
w85 12/1 p. 9 par.
4 - "all men are sinners and are, therefore, heavily in debt before god.
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Sea Breeze
Good catch BM,
The Watchtower idea of salvation is incomprehensible and contradictory:
"There is no punishment for sins after a person dies. The Bible says that “the wages of sin is death” and that “a dead person has been absolved from sin.” (Romans 6:7, 23, NAB) Death is the full and complete punishment for sin".
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-purgatory-in-the-bible/
Yet, they say the same things Christians say here:
When an imperfect human dies, he can only pay the penalty for his own sins; he cannot redeem himself, nor can he pay for the sins of anyone else. (Romans 6:7) We needed a person who was perfect and sinless to offer his life, not for his own sins, but for our sins.—Hebrews 10:1-4.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no3-2019-sep-oct/jesus-conquered-death/
So, which is it?
Romans 6: 7 is talking about getting born again, not actual death. This is obvious from the previous verses:
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
We are freed from sin when we get born again by getting new spirit which cannot sin. This breaks the vice grip of sin. We can still sin in the flesh though.Three times Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again to see the Kingdom. Yet, the WT says you don't need to be. Apparently, All you have to do is physically die acording to WT.
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Watchtower is Run Like the Mafia
by Sea Breeze inanybody else notice this?
the have a syndicate (governing body) regional bosses (district overseers), captians (circuit overseers), and elders are their "made men" that enforce policy at street level.
if you run your mouth too much, they wipe out your whole family (disfellowshipping).
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Sea Breeze
Anybody else notice this? The have a syndicate (governing body) Regional bosses (District Overseers), Captians (Circuit Overseers), and Elders are their "Made Men" that enforce policy at street level.
If you run your mouth too much, they wipe out your whole family (disfellowshipping).It's just business. Fugitaboutit.
